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murders shocked and transfixed the nation, both for the brutality can and the randomness of the killing. there were ten victims in all, including actress sharon tate, then eight and a half months pregnant. charles manson and seven of his his followers were convicted of first degree murder in 1971. they still remain locked up i a california prison. around the time of those crimes, one of manson's followers, charles "tex" watson may have admitted to even more killings in audio recordings with his attorney. now the los angeles police department's cold case unit believes the manson family might also be responsible for at least a does more unsolved murders from the late 1960s. but a federal judge is blocking access to those tapes because they are currently tied up in a

bankruptcy court. now, 77-year-old manson, who has been denied parole 12 times, will not provide police with any information that may help solve these murders and bring peace to the surviving family members. >> with me now is the ap reporter who has covered the manson murders since the day they occurred more than 40 years ago. linda deutsche is joining us from los angeles, and charles "tex" watson's attorney, joins us from dallas. linda, this case must have affected your whole life. you were there from day one. how do you feel about the fact that there may be other murders out there that might have been committed by manson that los angeles police are trying to find out about? >> well, i'll tell you, this case is almost part of my dna at

this point. it's been 43 years since the trial. and since the killings happened. i am not astounded by anything in this case. if new murders were to crop up, i'd say, well, okay, maybe. i don't see any evidence at this point that there were additional murders. tex watson at the time he spoke to his attorney, was possibly insane. by the time he came back to california, after a long extradition fight, he was declared insane. the lawyer at that time, i remember the judge all said he was a human vegetable at that point. >> let me ask you this. this guy, tex watson, what was his role in the manson murders? clearly a co-follower but what do we know he did? >> it was a very major role.

he was manson's lieutenant. he directed the girls in killing, and he killed. the most famous thing that he said was he walked into sharon tate's house, looked at the people there and said, i am the devil and i'm here to do the devil's work. >> wow. doesn't sound too insane to me. the acts themselves are clearly evil, but if he is the lieutenant and has the ability to organize, orchestrate and say what highs going to say -- but then that me with the insanity defense. let me bring kelly in here now. you're now representing texas watson in this whole issue regarding the los angeles police department's effort to get the tapes, the audiotapes of texas watson, who linda kells us, was a lieutenant, and his conversation with his lawyer at the time, i believe bill boyd. why should the los angeles police not get these tapes?

>> well, judge, this goes back to 16th century law where attorney-client communications is privileged. those tapes are made between attorney and client, privileged. as you well know, judge, back 34 years ago we didn't have laptop computers, iphones, a lot of other things, so lawyers at that time would -- instead of write on their note pad, they would tape conversations between clients. now, to go back now and to get those tapes, it's just like going and hearing the communication between the lawyer and the client. >> look, look, kelly, no one disagrees with you. there is an attorney-client privilege. but i understand your client, tex wasson, indicated he does not have a problem with the lapd listening to the tape. he just has a problem with the lapd possessing them. is that correct? >> well, judge, back in 1976, he signed a limited waiver that

allowed his biographer at that time to write a book. as you're probably well versed with the decision in new york where professor wrote a book on a man who was accused of a crime, found guilty. professor appealed the decision. >> what is your client's position today? >> his position today -- it's very clear, and i've made that clear through the court filings, that he wants those tapes to remain confidential. >> he does. i understand that there was a bankruptcy appeal where the judge had indicated that the lapd could look at it. let me ask you one more question, kelly. it appears that the lapd spokesperson says that there is

an urgency required to the resolution of this issue. why do you think that is? >> well, judge, it's judge shell, our eastern district court judge, said in his order, here we are 40 years later. so, he can't see the urgency of seeing these tapes now. it's been 40 years. and obviously mr. watson has mott committed any crimes since he has been in prison, and any -- >> but here's the issue. linda, i'm going back to you. what do you think about this? the lapd spokesperson saying there's an urgency to getting these tapes that apparently tex watson didn't have a problem with releasing several years ago. do you think they're on to something here, the lapd? >> they think they are. they think, from what i have heard, they have found bodies in the area where manson and the family lived. over the years, they've found

bodies. it was a very remote area. there's no question that people could have been buried there. whether they were related to the manson family is a big question. i think there's always a tantalizing kind of temptation to tie things to the manson family. it's headlines. it's a great story. if they did even more than we think they did. >> all right. well, linda and kelly, thanks so much. we'll see where this ends. and coming up, what could possibly be on the tape that the lapd wants to hear? our great expert panel weighs in next. and then later, two cousins are missing. their parents big their kidnapper to sed -- set them free. can you help bring these girls home? stay with us.

>> we're back with our terrific expert panel. missed you guys a lot. with me is former lapd fox detective mark fuhrman, and arthur isola, former prosecutor and now defense attorney, joey jackson, went the other side. >> the dark side. >> and forensic pathologist and fox news contributor. i'm fascinated with this grace.

mark, you're lapd. why, after 43 years, does the lapd have an urgent need to hear these tapes. >> there could be an urgent need because you might have witnesses they know about they're not going to bring forward. >> why not put it in the application of the jung who can -- judge would can say attorney-client privilege. >> there could be certain other things with the cases that have a time attached to it. people that are in prison that aren't supposed to be in prison. i. >> he's a smart guy. arthur, why? >> doesn't make sense on its face. what you said is right on point. if there's exigent circumstances, someone is in prison, shouldn't be, witness is about to die, you put it in black and white and shay this is why we're tribe to leap frog the system because we could use valuable leads. >> joe jackson, watson at one point -- he is just an animal. the one that sharon tate begged

for her life and begged to save the baby. but he waived the attorney-client privilege. if you have a conversation with your lawyer, nobody can hear it, period, end of story. but he waived it many years ago. >> he did. >> there is any way to get around it? >> i think there's two reasons you could get around it. number one, he waived it. whether it was a limited waiver or not, it was waived. why? it was in a book. number two i think a judge can rule if if has any indicia of criminality -- another way to waive the privilege is something you communicate is arguably of a criminal nature about a past crime, a current crime, or prior crime, you may in fact have a waiver there. >> joey, ever defendant tells this lawyer about the crime. not about -- >> not about the crime at issue. >> another crime? >> exactly. hold on. >> in. >> but, even if you get through the waiver, the question

becomes, how reliable is the information conveyed to the attorney? >> once they get over the hurdle, they'll get the body. >> he was already known -- he was declared by the court to be legally insane. i know you disagree with that. >> that's hogwash. how do you determine they're insane. give them a blood testifies -- test? >> what difference does it make. the information is information. >> it's not reliable. >> hold it. >> the unreliability of evidence doesn't mean you have to use the statement but it can point you in the direction of who the suspects are. >> if you're okay with a police officer kicking down -- >> we're not going there. doctor bob. guys, stop it. if the police have found some bodies, at least 12 unsolved crimes, is there a way for them to corroborate through forensic

if the evidence tex watson said? >> yes, if tex watson says, we shot them, those bullets will still be in the body 40 years later and could corroborate -- >> tex, the crazy guy. >> -- or not. just because he gives information, doesn't mean you have to accept it. what happens if watson dies, to those types? >> what happens if watson dies? >> obviously what happens is the estate -- >> this is in bankruptcy. >> it is. but the issue is the estate would have it and the same argument attaches. >> does it die at death? >> it does. >> there's the catholic church has had privileges where in pedophilia, it is died. in the martha moxley case they tried to claim a privilege because the investigators were

working under the lawyer and investigating what michael skakel. he had no part in giving the information but they had an independent party edit and put together all the information -- >> mark, we know it's been done. what about the fact that he waived it and he is on record as saying, lapd can look at it, but not possess it. i'm the judge. that's enough for me. if we can solve a crime, let's do it. >> ultimately i'm in accord. the problem is not the waiver. you get by that. a judge said, you can look at it. then one other subject said, hold the phone, not yet. the question becomes, when that information is released and they look at it, how relevant, how reliable, how credible? >> he can connect it forensic include. that cross-corroborates the liability. mark, do you think it's interesting that they're only looking at 12 unsolved crimes

that occurred around that time in that area? >> i think it's very interesting. i don't think they're just looking at that. i think they're stating that because that's the obvious. there's unsolved homicide, could be in the geographic area of the operation of the manson family in the time in the m. o., possibly the m.o., but there's also solved cases where you have people doing life, perhaps on death row, in some other location, that have been convicted of these crimes or a crime that the manson family could have committed in their insanity, but the physical evidence and the statements, whether you're crazy or not, you can put somebody at the scene, you start -- >> why now? >> might be -- >> one of your clients of death row -- >> these are 12 unsolved crimes. i don't believe -- >> that's not the only consideration. always go town solved crimes first. >> i think the point is well made, and that is if you can say

to judge, look, not only are we looking at 12 unsolved cases, it may help people who have been wrongfully convicted. that from an lapd detective. >> if you want to violate the attorney-client privilege, you want specifics, not hunches, not guesses. >> all right. >> attorney client privilege was violated by tex. >> was able to with a it in the past, von bulow. >> who? >> as far as i'm concern and you're concerned they should be able to go after the tapes, right? >> yes, for many reasons, including the fact, as mark points out, maybe there are innocent people who -- >> wrongfully accused. >> sometimes they have to do their work. >> yeah. all right, guys -- >> just one thing. remember, when this happened, the lapd looked into these cases and knew about manson, so they

did a whole examination -- >> now we have the technology, the dna and all the stuff we didn't have back then. coming up, imagine two young girls, go for a bicycle ride. they're now missing for more than four months. their parents'to the kidnappers. later, she vanished seven years ago without a trace. where is tara grim sted. ♪

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waterloo courier says we know you want to do the right thing by releasing the girls. everyone wins, even you. the person who took them, do the right thing. be a hero. with me tonight are elizabeth's parents, heather and drew collins, joining us from des moines, iowa. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having us. >> how are you two doing? >> we're doing okay. we're just doing whatever we can do right now, and to keep the word out, and get through every day. >> let me just kind of repeat what happened. in july, the girls go for a bicycle ride and go to a place they often went to, and they didn't come home. this investigation has been ongoing for four months. i believe that law enforcement has indicated they believe the

girls are alive. what do they base this on? >> i guess the fbi spokesperson base it on there was no evidence that they weren't. so, that's all they would tell us. so, as far as we know that's the only reason they said that. >> and, you guys decided, after four months, anniversary of their going to missing, to write a letter to the person, whoever, who took the girls. your daughter and your niece, lyric. why did you make that decision to write a letter? >> um, we just kind of decided to do that and to put an ad in the paper, because a lot of times you see people that have taken kids, have done time, they always keep the clippings, and they keep updated on their case. so, i just thought if i could

put it in the front page of the paper, you know, hoping and praying that the person would see our letter, and do the right thing and bring the girls home. return them anywhere. >> you know, we have covered this case extensively at the beginning, and i must ask you this question. your niece, who was the daughter of daniel and misty, she is with family where the dad has been convicted of many drug crimes, violent crimes, and your sister, elizabeth, your star misty, just recently was supposed to have her release revoked by the feds and then they made a decision not to your brother-in-law's drug trial was delayed yet again last week. what is going on? do you think drugs had anything to do with your girls

disappearing? >> we honestly don't know. we leave that up to the fbi. we honestly have no idea. >> it's just one possibility. of many. and in our minds we've -- we think of everything. that's just one of the things that goes through your head, could that be, or it could just be a random person. we don't know. we know they've -- the fbi and dci have looked into many different things. we don't know how much they looked into that, though. they don't tell us those things. >> have they told you of any leads recently? i mean, is anything new happened? >> they haven't told us any new

leads at all. there have been very few leads in this case. and that's what makes it frustrating, is the small amount of leads that have come from this case. it's almost as a vanished into thin air. >> it certainly is -- >> it's a very tough case. >> it's a very frightening case, and heather and drew, on behalf of all of us, we certainly wish that, as we start to go into the holidays you get some good news. thank you for being with us this evening. >> thanks for having us. >> if you have any information relate though disappearance of lyric and elizabeth, call the police at 1-800-thelost. coming up, young teacher disappears, never to be seep again. how many women disappear like this without a trace?

later, a murder suspect tries to make a quick get away, in an airplane?

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in ocilla. her body has never been found and no suspect has ever been charged. joining me now is tar tara's stepmom. now, connie, i'm going to start with you. it's been right now seven years since your stepdaughter went missing. is there anything new that you can kind of rest your hat on to say, gee, maybe this thing will be solved? >> not really. because we don't know any more than we did in the beginning. the only thing that we feel in our hearts, 100% about, is that it there was foul play involved. other than that, we really don't know what happened to tara, or even who is responsible. >> now, i understand that even though you're her stepmother, you raised her from the time she was three years -- old, connie.

>> i married her dad when she was three years old. she actually lived with her mother when she was younger. >> you've been in her life since she was very young. >> yes. >> but do you have any feeling, any inclining who mighhave done this? did she ever share a concern that some guy was going to do her in? >> no. i don't have any idea who is responsible. i have heard all of the persons of interest, all of the names and possibilities, but i honestly don't know what happened to her. >> okay, so i'm now going to gary rothwell, who i understand is recently retired from the georgia bureau of investigation. you have had a stellar career, gary, you work this case from the beginning, and you say that it's one of the cases that continues to haunt you. why? >> it's a convoluted case that is maddingly frustrating. everytime we would open a door, there would be several harps and

nor doors. almost feels like a disservice we have not resolved this case for the family and tara. >> the truth is, gary, there were several guys who might have been involved. i counted five as i went through the file. a boyfriend, a police officer who was looking for her the day before she meant missing, student arrested at her house. she was a teacher. a landlord's son, the man who stalked her in the past. so you had quite a wealth of possible suspects. >> absolutely. the evidence indicates that the person responsible for tara's disappearance is very likely someone that knew her. so we had to look at people that were close to her, and there were a lot of them. but we have not been able to link any of those people to her disappearance. >> we don't know what happened to her. as i understand, the door was closed to her house, and she took her purse and her cell phone. is that correct? >> yes. there's no sign of forced entry. her purse and its contents are gone. the cell phone remained at the

house. it was not common for her to do that but not impossible. >> did she go to some kind of barbecue or some event that night? >> yes. the last time we can account for hers 11:00 on a saturday night before she was reported missing. she was at a cookout, watching football games on television at the residence of a former employee who lived nearby. >> you say there were some lie detector tests and alibis checked out. >> yes, yes. we checked out alibis of all the people that we looked at closely. we administered several polygraph examinations. one case that makes it solvable, we have dna evidence and we have compared all these -- >> from what? >> dna evidence from a latex glove recovered in the front yard of the residence. >> so you have these lay desk gloves, dna. has it matched? >> it does not match any of the

200 people whose dna have obtained. >> you've gotten 200 dna samples? >> that's correct. >> you have really worked this case. >> we tried hard. we obviously haven't succeeded. there's a lot more work to be up done. >> do you know who did it? >> i have no idea. we think it's someone who knew her -- >> it's in the becomes there. >> the name is in the box but we don't know which one it is. >> connie no instinks -- by the way, your step daughter was absolutely stunning. i understand she won a beauty contest, she was very popular, and she was well-liked. there had to be people who were jealous? other than these guys, were any of them married? gary, back to you. >> one of her associates was married. the remainder were single. >> all right. well, you know, gary, i have no

doubt that, as i read from the talking points, you're going to continue on this case. connie, we issue for the ohio only good news as it relates to your stepdaughter. >> thank you so much, thank you for including tara's case. >> our pleasure. thank you. all right. coming up, we'll have our expert panel on the missing teacher. tara grinstead case, and later, a murder suspect crashes a getaway vehicle, and guess it's an airplane and it's caught on tape. never heard that one before, did you? my insurance rates e probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid.

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mark, are thousand joey, back with me to talk about the tara grinstead case. you heard gary roth well. knows what he doing. he says all the guys we haveline

looking at have an alibi and passed the polygraph. how do you have an alibi if his missing from 11:00 p.m. and they don't look for her until school on sunday. >> now electronic alibis. you're texting somebody, you're in contact with somebody and they can actually locate that device many times, whether at it at the home or another location. that's one way. the other thing is, sounds like these guys had other lives other than her. >> yes. what does that tell you, detective? >> well, there's a lot of subtext. >> and don't forget the polygraph. doesn't mean they pass it. inconclusive is where you can't move forward. >> arthur? >> seem like they have done such a good job, worked so hard. uncovered everything. they looked for the needle in the haystack. i was coming on here, ready to

be cavalier. it seems like they've done and it haven't gotten anywhere. >> what they do have are latex gloves on the frontyard with dna on the gloves. the guy is not in jail. >> not yet. >> you know what's interesting about that? they looked at that dna glove and the latex. it doesn't match any of the men that apparently were in her life who all have alibis, and they not only ran it through the state dna database and the national database and it matches no one, which is more frustrating. >> therefore one of the possibilities is she is still alive. maybe she has amnesia. in 50 years i've been involved three times -- very rare but happens -- where somebody has gone missing and turns out had a head injury or something and really has am meese ya. >> very good point, doctor, but as you know because of the drew peter send case, there are often situations where someone who is

extremely onliable in law enforcement investigations might throw something off which would throw the whole case off, i.e. a latex glove. >> dr. bodden's making a claim that amnesia, but her car is there. she takes her purse, doesn't take her phone. there's some indications sometimes she didn't take her phone because she was with somebody else, didn't want the phone to ring. so, that being said, the body needs to turn up. or somebody needs to have their dna taken where it pops up. but don't forget that sometimes in homicide investigations you're doing an autopsy of a personality and a lifestyle that nobody knew existed. and one other thing. and it's probably been done. i'm sure it has. sometimes neighbors will watch the conduct or watched a single woman, and somebody that you would never think in a million years would be a suspect in a crime like this, and was never a

suspect, and many times that's exactly what occurs. >> without a trace at all? this is confounding. why? because even if it were a maybe, you could establish linkage. but nothing at all? >> if the neighbor looks so innocent is what he is saying -- >> a married male with three kids at home -- >> why don't the guys -- >> you have to believe they have gone through the house with a fine-adopt comb. >> the neighbor's house? no. >> not the neighbor's house, her house. >> she knew who came in. no forced entry. she allowed them in went with them or was taken but she knew them. >> the implication, if you have 200 of their closest friends, doesn't match the dna, that maybe the supposition that it's something she knew isn't correct and it is a stranger. >> do we all remember how dna started in england? they had a dead girl what was

raped and murdered and they decided the only way to do this is dna the entire village. >> an entire village. okay. >> is that a what you're saying? >> what i'm saying is the example is they did a very good job. but what they did is they had a voluntary compliance -- >> i remember that. >> what are the chances of this being solved without the body? >> i think it makes it much harder to solve without the body. but still, i don't understand how you can have -- first of all, be able to get dna from skin cells from a latex glove is something that is relatively new, and at it sort of the -- >> i'm sure they re-tested that. >> yes. i think the fact it doesn't match anybody known to them, maybe at some point, if they get a match, and then -- >> that's why you have to believe it's shin might have known, right and there's no forced entry.

no sign of a struggle to speak of. no trails of blood or anything else. >> let's go back to what i said about doing an autopsy of somebody's personal life you don't no who people are unless you're living with them all the time. so when you do that up a circumstance doesn't mean you went deep enough or went in the right direction. >> to your point about electronics and what we do there she has a computer. text-messaging with respect to a cell phone. we have twitter -- >> here's the thing, guys. the police have looked at everybody. this could very well be someone who was at the cookout and saw her come home. >> what about the latex glove? >> it's a throwaway, it's not outside. not in her house. >> or the suggestion, the only person who would wear latex glove to a homicide would be a police officer. >> and his dna would have been matched. >> that's right. >> the latex glove fell out of

somebody's pocket. two latex gloves people put on. one was there. >> if it's someone she knows not going to wake -- >> when your done disposing of the body and walk away from the scene -- >> you're not disposing of the body there. >> we're running out of time. thank you so much, and i think we're coming back inmont. coming up, he didn't use a getaway car. he used a getaway plane. the amazing video is next.

>> a strange series of events up ralph -- ununravel in utah.

you can see a plane plowing through the parking lot at an airport. and it only gets stranger once investigators discover who is in the cockpit. here's the story. reporter: air force security cameras captured almost everything that happened when bren stole a sky west jet and crashed it into the airport. but police tell fox 13 their investigation resulted in no conclusion as to motive. he was wanted in connection with the murder of his ex-girlfriend in colorado. employs say in the early morning hours of july 17th, hedgen climbed over a fence and ran to the jet. a sky west pilot, he knew how to get in the play so police say he climbed in and started it up. but as you can see here, the plane clipped a sky bridge. the jet then scraped the side of the airport terminal.

police say they have no evidence he was trying steal the plane. >> i'm looked at the crash scene, and i doesn't appear he goes any other direction. didn't make any movement to go toward the runway, he throttled up and went towards the parking lot. >> the plane barreled into the parking lot before stopping. police spend quickly to the incident. officer says the plane was still running with cars piled-under it in. officers say the man was found dead inside the aircraft with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> that detective, that cop said he wasn't trying to steal the plane or get away. maybe am wrong but he was wanted for the murder of his ex-girlfriend. >> his girlfriend was found stabbed to death at her residence. >> right. >> and he, after they got in the plane, found out he actually had

a stab wound to his body, and he ultimately committed suicide. so you wonder if the stab wound might have been debilitating enough where the loss of blood actually he did try to fly away -- >> does anybody think he is going for a spin in the parks lot? >> it wasn't a stab wound. it was a bruise, and it wasn't so debilitating if he shot himself in the head, because he killed him. what is interesting know, talk about cop shoesness -- consciousness of guilt. we know who did what here. >> consciousness of guilt. >> you have a knife, says he stabbed -- >> defense attorney, despondent of the death of his -- >> forget it said that. >> i think you're correct. when someone jumps in an airplane who is wanted for murder, think -- as the guy who knows how to fly a plane, common

sense would dictate he is taking off. the reporter said he didn't head toward the runway can he headed toward the parking lot. >> exceptionally interesting, how on earth was he able to get the airport -- i know he got there, motorcycle and everything else. climbs over the fence. gets on the tarmac, starts the plane, movers the plane. , where the security? >> kids climb over a fence, know how to start a cessna and they're off and running. >> probably a regional airport. we don't know when he shot himself. we're talking bat span of two minutes where he could have shot himself when he got in the plane and the plane was now going by itself. could have shot himself once he came to rest. >> maybe he was going down in a blaze of glory. >> christopherly started the plain. >> i want to go back to crime

scene. you have to two dead people but you need to see what's going on. who stabbed who spirit? did she stab him first and then he took the notify and stabbed her out of rage? knives of the defensive women of women in a dispute. >> you think so? >> she is wrong or she is a suspect. but you also want to know, was there anybody there? was anybody else involved in. >> i don't disagree. i would have to say in the event it was an innocent -- for example, he just raged and as a result killed her, turn yourself into a lawyer, explain the scenario, it's manslaughter i think it was a murder-suicide. >> both military people so they're trained in killing. >> correct. very good. >> they have a mindset, psychologically, prepared to kill and see death, and obviously in your investigation, and i agree there should be an investigation. just because he popped a bullet in his head doesn't end the investigation. you need to see what happened.

maybe there was a third party involved. who knows. >> you need to know exactly what actually ignited this dispute that led to murder. i mean, you're probably most likely either a situation or a third party. >> so let's assume he did it or didn't do it. my car, let's say, is one of the cars in the parking lot. who am i suing? >> everyone. >> that's what they do. >> i'd hurry up and get your money from delta airlines. >> that's true. but the regional airport, the community, the municipality, the faa for let -- never got out. >> glad you're not sitting in that car at the time he was able to violate that security, that airport should be on lockdown. no way, municipal or not, anybody should be able to get into the airport, start a plane and take off on the plane. as a result of 9/11. >> once he got on the tarmac, he hood i.d., and plus he probably knows all the people at the airport. >> no, no. he was a runaway because he was

wanted. that may not have -- >> i don't think the people on ground crew would know -- >> the great movie, flight, with den -- denzel washington and the planees upside-down. i won't tell you what happened. >> involves a lot of alcohol. i saw it, too. >> thanks so much for being with us. thanks for joining us, please follow me on twitter. judge jeanine, and be sure to check out my new book, sly fox, a great holiday gift for all those people you love and care about. see you next time. >> a great book. got rate.